Erik Engheim
3 min readMar 30, 2022

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Would be interesting to hear your perspective. I guess in the US you would be considered white? Honestly I don't know Turkey that well as I have never visisted but my understanding from reading history is that it is a place with a deep history of a variety of ethnicities mixing.

Many Turkish people to my understanding are descendants of ancient greeks. I am not sure if it is ignorant of me to day this but my impression is that indeed many Turkish and Greek people look very similar. Hence if Greeks counts as white, then certianly a large portion of Turkey counts as white.

I watch youtuber Hasan Piker sometimes who was born in Turkey. He looks pretty much like any other Southern European to me.

How does this work for you in the US? Do people tell you stuff like "Check your white privilege!"

I think here in Norway as in many other Western countries being muslim counts negative. Hence it is not so much how you look but whatever combination of language and dress code you use which may communicate that you are muslim. I had muslim friends in the Netherlands who remarked on this. One looked like a Northern European. He was from Lebanon. He would get treated like any other Dutch person until he used his very muslim sounding name. It seems like there are gradatitions. Not every foreign sounding name is a problem. He never switched to a Dutch name, but he stopped calling himself Muhammed because that was just such a liability. He simply used is last name which was less obviously muslim.

I know name counts a lot here. My wife is of Asian descent and I have adviced her to switch to my last name. I think at least here in Europe where immigration from far away is so recent the worry is usually about somebody not being integrated. Anything in your dress code or name which implies you are integrated means people have less prejudice.

I have a Tamil friend who tends to speak very loud Norwegian whenever there is security checks and stuff like that. He knows very well that as soon as you sound like an integrated immigrant you will get treated different compared to someone percieved as "fresh off the boat" as they call it in the US.

Not sure how it works in Germany, but here in Norway we have a lot of dialects. For immigrants it helps a lot to speak a dialect as it makes you sound a lot more Norwegian. Sounding like you come from some deep valley or fjord makes people feel your are Norwegian much more quickly. It makes people more easily forget that you look different.

I have read Black-British remark on this when in America. When black people in the US speaks the Queens English it throws them a loop. Americans have such an ingrained belief that somehow skin color and your behavior and speech is one and the same thing. As if being black means you naturally speak Ebonics.

It was quite hillarious with my Vietnamese-Norwegian friend hanging out in the US speaking with a Norwegian accent. Americans could not make it compute that he was Norwegian.

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Erik Engheim
Erik Engheim

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Geek dad, living in Oslo, Norway with passion for UX, Julia programming, science, teaching, reading and writing.

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